Re Invent Revit: Session 4, 2D Sketch assignment

I think without assignment we will not achieve to anything, hence I thought maybe i should prepare some record from 2d Sketch environment. In some part of this records I will show you how we can do something in Revit and how we should do that in Inventor.
You can watch records in below, also i should say in next few days i will make more record about 2d Sketch.

 

 

After you tried for this, if you need any help just ask I will tell you how you can make fix problems.
Good luck.

Re Invent Revit: Session 3, 2D Sketch

Now you know about many thing in Inventor, we can go for first modeling feature.

Like Revit or any other software, when you want to make extrude at first you need to have one 2d Sketch and after that you can go for Extrude command.

As you can see we have separate icon for create 2D Sketch.

But we have two major difference here:

 

  1. In Revit you don’t have separate command for create 2d Sketch and each time you are hitting Extrude command you will go to the Sketch environment and you can have access to 2d Tools like line, circle, rectangle and etc. But in Inventor you should have 2D Sketch at first and then you can go for Extrude. Take a look to the above pictures.

2. Another thing is about the Work Plane , in Revit if you are in Reference Level, Current Work Plane is Reference Level and if you are in Front/Back or Left/Right view you can use Set Work Plane command to make set one Reference Plane for 2D Sketch, but in Inventor after or before you run 2D Sketch tool you should select one Origin or User Work Plane or like in Revit You can select One Flat Surface for create new 2D Sketch.

In Inventor you have many tools for create 2d Sketch and honestly in some case you can’t find any equivalent tools in Revit but still you can find many similar tools and workflow, I can give you short brief about this tools in Inventor and you can read about that in below.

Note : In Revit we hadn’t any 2D Constrain until to Revit 2017, in this version you can see only new item and that one is about Tangent Constrain for Arc shape and you can see relevant picture in below:

 

Note : In Revit you can’t use Array Command for make Array from elements that we have in 2D Sketch.

Option Bar:  Before of short brief i should explain about Option Bar in Revit and equivalent item in Inventor, as you know after we run any tool in Revit we can find some option according to that tool in Option Bar i want to explain about this with two simple example :

 

 

1. Revit : Copy = Inventor : Copy  : As you can see in Revit you can run Copy command at first and after make select your objects, press Enter and then you will receive some option in Option Bar , but in Inventor after you run Copy command you can receive dialogue box regarding to the Copy and all option are appearing in dialogue box.

 

 

2. Revit : Offset = Inventor : Offset   ; As you can see for Offset Command After we run this tools in Revit we can see different option in Option Bar but in Inventor after we run Offset command we are not receiving any dialogue and with Right Click we can see some option like Loop Select or Constraint Offset and also if you make click at any objects you can define value for offset tool.

Note : In 2d Sketch environment we have 2d constrain which could be little strange for anyone who hasn’t any experience with this. But if you are that type of user in AutoCAD who is using Constraint then you can find many similarly way for apply 2d constrain.

In Inventor you can see after you run move command you will see Move dialogue box and then you can select your objects with selection button and define two point with location.

Note : All tools for draw are very similar to Revit.

Note : All tools for Modify are very similar to Revit


2d Rectangular pattern in Inventor : In Revit you can make duplicate 3d elements with Array Linear, the biggest problem is you can define one axis for this but here in Inventor you can define two axis for make array from 2d elements and actually this tools is very similar like AutoCAD Rectangular Array.

2d Circular pattern in Inventor : In Inventor we can make pattern from 2D Elements with Circular Pattern and the only thing you need to define here is about the object for duplicate and Center of array, also this tool is like AutoCAD.

 

Inventor Mirror : Take a look to above picture

Note : In Industrial Software like Inventor we have different color for 2d Sketch elements and also if we have any sketch with all dimension that we need to make control for size and location of sketch, we can call that Fully Constrain. I will show you one simple example in below pictures and in the future we will learn more about this:

 

You can see one Rectangle with all dimension as full constrain and another Rectangle without dimension as a free shape. pay attention to the color.

As we said we will discuss about this in the future.

Good luck.

Re Invent Revit : Session 2

Ok, Second Session is about modelling procedure, after short explanation in “Session 1″for file type in Inventor and compare that items with Revit now it’s the right time for start new model in Inventor.

But before we start to talk about this item, i should tell you one things about what we are doing usually in Revit and what we should do in Inventor.

Every time i’m teaching Revit, i’m explaining about Project Environment at first then after that i’m going for Family.

The point is in Revit because of two thing:

  1. Template for create new projects. (In every project template, we have different type of Wall, Floor, Roof, Ceiling, Stairs, Railing, as system families and also we have different type of Loadable family like Furniture, Columns, Beam, Door, Windows)
  2. Default Content Library. (We can find many different type of Furniture and Column, Door, Window, Tag, … etc that are very useful for start new project)

we can start from project.

Just for one moment imagine this in Revit, you starting new project, but you don’t have any family?!? I’m talking about all family like Systemperature Family, Loadable Family or Model-In Place Family.
Now what you should do?!?! Yes, you should create all things by your own.

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Note: If we try to make compare as this way it’s not fair , because I can say in Inventor we have biggest default content in the world for industrial usage. Pay attention, Industrial. It’s not Door or Window it’s Screw, Nuts, Washers, Pin, Ball bearing, Roll Bearing, O Rings and etc. If i remember correctly more than 650,000 parts.

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Hence, we have all basic requirements for create new Building ( Project ) in Revit because of what we have as a predefined Project Template and Default Family Content (Library).

I think now you know why we are going for Family in Inventor at first, let’s go for Part Modelling with IPT file and at same time we will try to make compare between this item and “Metric Generic Family” in Revit. Just follow below step for create first part (Family) in Inventor.

Or you can go for new part according to below picture :

Note : If you have need to make change for default Template according to different Unit like Imperial to Metric or vise versa, you can go for setting like above picture and change the Unit and Standard as you can see in below.

 

Now you should have result like below picture, yes we are in Part ( Family ) environment.

At the same time you can go for create new family in Revit, as i said before that Family could be “Metric Generic Family” which is None Host Family.

As you can see in above picture we have many similar item in User Interface. Ribbon, Graphic Window, Project Browser/ Properties Panel=Design Tree.

Note: In Inventor if you need to go to the Isometric view ( 3D View in Revit ) just press F6 from your keyboard and if you need to make orbit, you can go for Shift+Click and drag with Scroll like in Revit. Also if you need to make zoom in or zoom out go for F3+Click and Drag with Left mouse button. You can use F5 for go to the previous view.

Now, i have one question, did you ever think why when you are working in Project Environment you have North, South, East and West view but when you are making model for Family, you have Front/Back and Left/Right view?

Answer is, Because you are making Product, yes Product and Inventor is very powerful for this part.

Ok, lets see what we have as Work Plane in Inventor?!!? Maybe you want to say what is the Work Plane? Work Plane is same like Reference Plane in Revit.

Like Revit in Inventor you have Default Reference Plane ( In Inventor you can call that Origin Work plane ) that is coming from the Family (Part) Template, Like Front/Back , Left/Right and Reference Level in Revit we have XZ, YZ and XY Work Plane in Inventor.  You can see how we can make compare between this item in below picture.

 

Ok, until now you know about Reference Plane, but one thing is remained here and that one is Family Type Dialogue in Revit !?! do we have anything like this in Inventor. Haha , yes, we have. Take a look to below pictures:

 

 

Please don’t forgot about this, Inventor is Mechanical Software and because of this we have more ability than Revit, in the future session we will discuss about many things for creating Parameter in Inventor but for now i can tell you one simple thing and that is about the name of parameter.

If you have parameter in Revit Like ” Frame Length” in Inventor you should type that as this way “Frame_Length” that mean is you can’t use space between words in Inventor and you can use “_” .

 

Good Luck

Re Invent Revit : Session 1

First Session is about how we can start to work with Inventor. Remember, my mindset is, currently you are working with Revit, then you know about 3d Modelling and you know about Project and Family well.

but be aware about this in Inventor we have different way for modelling and different solution for do anything, hence when i’m explaining anything that item could be about usual items and maybe we could find many different way for do same things, another things is, every time i;m trying to find any method or item to make compare with Revit and say about same solution with Inventor

OK, every time i had any class for anybody or any groups they have one similar question, when we opened Inventor software at the first time we saw one dialogue box and we was confused what we should do and which item is correct for our work.

Take a look to below Picture, yes this is what they saw in first try with Inventor.

 

Let me explain about first dialogue according to Revit perception.

Description : As you know every time you want to make any project in Revit you need to put some family together, Like Wall, Floor, Roof, Ceiling (System Families) Window, Door, Furniture, Mechanical Equipment, Case work (Loadable Family=User Family ) Mass , Generic Modelling in Project (Model in-Place ) . Hence any project is combination of Family.

Here in Inventor Part is equal to Family and Assemble is equal to Project.

Simple clarification :

1. Revit : You can make a Project in Revit and bring other projects as a link into that = Inventor : In Inventor is same you can make an Assembly and bring other assembly as a Subassembly the only different is in Inventor you can make edit in any subassembly as you want but in Revit you cant make edit in Link object.

2. Revit : You can Make a Family in Revit and load it into other family as a nested family ( With this Method you are trying to make Sort of assembly in Revit )= Inventor : Usually in Inventor when you want to make assembly you can put Part object in Assembly file, (( I should say still you can make a Part and load that Part in new Part as a Drive Part) ( Also you can load Assembly in Part ))

3. Revit : In Revit you need to do modelling for Projects, in Project Environment = Inventor : In Inventor you need to make your Parts and put them together to make your Assembly ( Project ) .

Note: Actually you can do modelling in Assembly Environment with two different way and you can read about that in below .

5. Revit : In Revit Project Environment you can create Model in-Place Family and you have all feature according to Family Modelling in Project Environment = Inventor : In Inventor is same, you can use Assembly Feature and make join or cut with Part solid models, but you can not save this Feature as a new *.ipt Part and they are part of Assembly environment

6. Revit : In Revit Project Environment you can create Model in-Place Family and you have all feature according to Family Modelling in Project Environment = Inventor : In Assembly Environment you can create new Part and make active your Part Feature and create parts inside of Assembly , Difference is in Inventor you can save that part as separate Family but in Revit normally you can not do this.

Revit Family = Inventor Part

File Extension for Revit *.rfa = File Extension for Inventor Part *.ipt

Revit Project = Inventor Assembly

File Extension for Revit *.rvt = File Extension for Inventor *.iam

Simple clarification :

Q 1 ; What is the Sheet Metal.ipt ?

A 1 ; As you can see Sheet Metal.ipt is sort of Part in inventor but you can find different feature for modeling, all feature are relevant to Sheet Metal Objects, Like Water Tank, Metal Cabinet, Metal Desk, Metal Door, Cladding,

Q2 ; What is the Weldment.iam ?

A2 ; IN any case that you need to do Welding projects you can use Weldment.iam.

Q3 ; What is Standard.idw ?

A3 ; With Standard.idw file you can create drawing from any *.ipt or *.iam file , important point is in Revit you have Sheet Subset in Project Browser and Annotate Ribbon for Dimension and Symbol. But in Inventor you have separate file type (*.idw) and environment for prepare drawing.

 

 

Q4 ; What is Standard.ipn ?

A4 ; Naturally Inventor is a software for Mechanical Engineers and Product Designers, in many case this people needs to make a presentation from their Assembly, that how we should make assemble or disassemble any mechanism .  If we want to make example like this in Revit we should talk about Displacement tool. you can see similar result in Revit and Inventor in below picture.

 

 

We will discuss about modelling workflow and we will compare Revit solution with Inventor solution in the future.

Good luck.

Re Invent Revit : 1.Introduction

Hi,

I was speaker for BiLT Asia event and I had two session, one for Revit and another for Inventor.

 

Assembled Stair

 

BIM and Manufacturing
Assembled Stair

I mentioned that session is for Expert but after I start my session I understood we don’t have any audience with depth knowledge about Inventor in room.

Karbandi Model
Karbandi Drawing

Then I asked is anybody familiar with Inventor?! Respond was terrible, just one person had little experience with Inventor. Important things is my session was about Building Industry and as I understood at least here ( Singapore ) we don’t have many people who are using Inventor in Building Industry.

Decorative Shelf Model

 

Decorative Shelf Drawing

After that I make decision to write and talk more about what we can do with Inventor in Building Industry. Also I want start new serious of post for teaching Inventor to all of my blog readers. And in the same time I will explain about what we can do with this software.

Furnace

 

I had short discussion with Phil Lazarous from BiLT Committee and he preferred a blog with name ” Re Invent Revit ” . But I don’t want to make new blog, because currently many of my readers are from Building industry and they are involving in BIM Process and i’m looking for this people, why I should create new Blog.

 

Hence, I will go for this serious at this blog and I am writing about this with name “Re Invent Revit”

I will provide many file for practice, then you can use Inventor 2018 Student Version (  Autodesk is very generous ) if you don’t have subscription account for Autodesk Inventor in your PC or Laptop.

Space Frame

Good Luck,

Behzad Meskini

Second Article about Inventor Pro: Modern Design from Historical Perspective

Hi to all of my friends,

Many days are passed from the last post in my blog, now my new Article in AUGI magazine published in December issue.

I Should Say Thank you John Evans and David Harrington for your help.

You can download it from the below address:

https://www.augi.com/augiworld

 

Behzad Meskini

 

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Taking Stair from design to fabrication with Revit and Inventor, just in 10 minutes.

Many of my friend in the fabrication industry asking me about the workflow for making documents for stair fabrication.

I refer them for using Autodesk Inventor because of ability of this software.

At this post I want to show you how it could be simple for Revit and Inventor users to create an assembled stair with full of detail just in 10 ,

Let’s start,

What we need as a material is very simple, First step is design what you need with the precise overall dimension in Revit and this could be very easy in Revit. Like the below picture I create an stair with spiral shape between two level with 3.24 meter height.

Stair Width = 1 m

Stair tread Depth = 0.3 m

Maximum Riser Height = 0.18 m

Stair stringer Size = 0.05 m x 0.4 m

Structural Depth on Run = 0.15 m

Structural Depth on Landing = 0.3 m

 

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you can use Isolate command in the project area for which stair that you want create detail.

Go to File > Export > Cad Format > ACIS *.sat

Now Start Autodesk Inventor and open SAT file in Inventor as a Part with multi solid body

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Make sure about where you are saving the file.

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The result should be like the below picture. you can save it with ipt format.

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You can create regular helper object ( Work Axis and Work Points ) for the future modeling like the below picture.

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Create 3d Sketch like the below picture according to the Helper object ( Work Axis and Work Points )

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Create two Sweep as surface according to 3d Sketch and two simple 2d Sketch like the below picture. You will need this surfaces for manage the sweep command for that profile you want create with Generative shape design tool.

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Create a hole and make pattern from that hole with rectangular pattern like the below picture.

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Create an iLogic part with several option that you need as a tread for stair and use this for final stair.

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Create a new assembly and place that part you open as SAT format with multi body and saved with ipt format like part.

Now you are able to create structural frame for body of stair according to what you have in the basic model that you import from Revit and mange in the Part environment.

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Now you can place the first tread as iLogic part and the dimension for this tread is depend to the basic shape of stair in Revit.

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For the next step you can create pattern for this tread and use Feature pattern depend to the Hole pattern in the Basic stair part.

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Now go to the IDW environment and make some drawing.

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This is very fast and unique workflow for everyone who looking for fabrication in stair category.

 

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Enjoy this.

 

Just Experience sharing , Steel Structure Detailing with Autodesk Inventor Professional !?!

I Said before my opinion About the Autodesk Inventor Professional.

Then three or four years ago is start to create my own plugin to build steel structure with Inventor Pro.

And I did some project with this plugin , Autodesk Inventor is very useful and very powerful for modeling.

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Good Luck.

JUST Experience for BIM Modeling with Inventor Professional

Hi,

My favorite software is Inventor and honestly I really believe to this software for every type of modeling , maybe you don’t have direct command for which category then you want but if you create your own parametric model at this software then you can use this model for whole of your life.

Ok let start experience about the BIM Modeling :

1

The project was some sort of Modular Building then I had a lot of consideration about the size of each part for this building.

For this project I used Part Modeling , Assembly Modeling , Sheet Metal , Frame Generator , Drawing and Presentation area and the result was quite good. Of Course for some parts you can use combination between Inventor Pro and Revit ( Rebar modeling Or Piping and HVAC System ) but all model I want to create in Inventor was Successful.

2

At the top Picture you can see how we can add many detail for Floor , Wall , Roof and for the connection between elements in the project.

3

Unfortunately when I was in charge for design this home I don’t have any idea and information about the iLogic part in Inventor and that was five years ago but know when I think about the iLogic part then I can understand how much I can do this faster and better now.

4

Bill of Material and final report for any category at this project was quite good and I could manage all things about the Final documentation. For Piping of this project I used Revit MEP but as I remember in Inventor 2011 we don’t have any command for transfer and exchange the information between Inventor and Revit. But now everything improved for this type file transfer.

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I will share more details about this project and process for create and design and documentation for this project in the future.

 

Good Luck